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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://dihasstories.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/american-billing-systems/#comment-1899</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a certified coder (yep, WENT TO SCHOOL, TOOK THE TESTS, AM NATIONALLY CERTIFIED IN BOTH AREAS - HOSP &amp; DOC OFC)  .... May I say this also:  medical coding is ONE thing and medical billing is another!  REMEMBER THAT.

Before shelling out $15K to someone selling you an &#039;
opportunity&#039; aka as a ripoff - GO TO YOUR LOCAL COLLEGE and take classes in coding and learn it, then take the test(s), go to work for a doctor or hospital, and then .. MAYBE .. after a few years, they will trust you enough to let you take the work home.  MAYBE!  

Today, alot is being outsourced to Pakistan and India - until about 4 years ago when an Indian woman tried to blackmail a California man with is VERY personal, VERY private medical data which she gained by ... yup, doing medical billing for a dumb doctor who thought saving cash was more important than patient confidentiality.  Happened, FACT!

If you DO decide to continue on your own from home, just go buy C-Med software (thats my fav anyway - there are several others), learn IT, get the latest ICD-9&#039;s (are updated annually &amp; are SPENDY), then ... go door knocking from doc to doc.  You will find your shoe leather wears out before you get one doc to hire you because a) you are not a certified coder and therefore will most likely get a TON of bills kicked back, costing him major bucks, 2) you are not experienced enough to KNOW the major codes by heart which means you are slow.  Slow means you dont make money.  

Just like in medical transcribing - you may be able to type 140 wpm, but if you have NO idea what that doc is saying (and believe me, trying to figure out what a doc from anywhre but the USA is SAYING is, of itself, a JOB!) you cant do it!  TAKE THE MEDICAL TERMINOLOGY CLASSES AT YOUR LOCAL COLLEGE - no need for a university or its prices and dont use one of those overpriced &quot;Charter&quot; schools or online ones either ... these kinds of things REQUIRE in-CLASS education if you want to get your money&#039;s worth and end up making money with your new education!

Medical Information Technology IS growing and FAST ... within a decade we will be short approx 8,000 coders/billers per the US Dept of Labor but ... BUT BUT BUT ... they will NOT come from places like ABS or from online classes or from &#039;teach yourself&#039; techniques.  You will start out at around $36K (per your location) and within five years, you CAN earn up to $52K as a supervisor .... but that is after spending about $3000 for your education and then ... going out and getting HIRED for a DOC or HOSPITAL and gaining experience and working your way up that nasty ol&#039; corporate ladder! 

I am looking for investors for a business related to medicine. I need a plastic surgeon who wants to open a completely unique sort of &#039;day spa&#039; with me for a very special segment of US population: rich, retired, getting OLD, and hating it!  I have a well-researched idea with projections/costs, etc.  Obviously, this is NOT a &#039;work from home&#039; idea, nor is it cheap to be involved.  In fact ... it will cost about half a million PER angel investor to even be involved!  Within 3 yrs, it will have paid for itself, and then some, a GREAT sum! :-)  This is NOT for anyone, its ONLY for interested plastic surgeons, willing to relocate to a specific area of Texas, and Alaska, or angel investors!

WELCOME TO 21ST CENTURY MEDICINE!  Hippocrates is likely twirling in his grave!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a certified coder (yep, WENT TO SCHOOL, TOOK THE TESTS, AM NATIONALLY CERTIFIED IN BOTH AREAS &#8211; HOSP &amp; DOC OFC)  &#8230;. May I say this also:  medical coding is ONE thing and medical billing is another!  REMEMBER THAT.</p>
<p>Before shelling out $15K to someone selling you an &#8216;<br />
opportunity&#8217; aka as a ripoff &#8211; GO TO YOUR LOCAL COLLEGE and take classes in coding and learn it, then take the test(s), go to work for a doctor or hospital, and then .. MAYBE .. after a few years, they will trust you enough to let you take the work home.  MAYBE!  </p>
<p>Today, alot is being outsourced to Pakistan and India &#8211; until about 4 years ago when an Indian woman tried to blackmail a California man with is VERY personal, VERY private medical data which she gained by &#8230; yup, doing medical billing for a dumb doctor who thought saving cash was more important than patient confidentiality.  Happened, FACT!</p>
<p>If you DO decide to continue on your own from home, just go buy C-Med software (thats my fav anyway &#8211; there are several others), learn IT, get the latest ICD-9&#8217;s (are updated annually &amp; are SPENDY), then &#8230; go door knocking from doc to doc.  You will find your shoe leather wears out before you get one doc to hire you because a) you are not a certified coder and therefore will most likely get a TON of bills kicked back, costing him major bucks, 2) you are not experienced enough to KNOW the major codes by heart which means you are slow.  Slow means you dont make money.  </p>
<p>Just like in medical transcribing &#8211; you may be able to type 140 wpm, but if you have NO idea what that doc is saying (and believe me, trying to figure out what a doc from anywhre but the USA is SAYING is, of itself, a JOB!) you cant do it!  TAKE THE MEDICAL TERMINOLOGY CLASSES AT YOUR LOCAL COLLEGE &#8211; no need for a university or its prices and dont use one of those overpriced &#8220;Charter&#8221; schools or online ones either &#8230; these kinds of things REQUIRE in-CLASS education if you want to get your money&#8217;s worth and end up making money with your new education!</p>
<p>Medical Information Technology IS growing and FAST &#8230; within a decade we will be short approx 8,000 coders/billers per the US Dept of Labor but &#8230; BUT BUT BUT &#8230; they will NOT come from places like ABS or from online classes or from &#8216;teach yourself&#8217; techniques.  You will start out at around $36K (per your location) and within five years, you CAN earn up to $52K as a supervisor &#8230;. but that is after spending about $3000 for your education and then &#8230; going out and getting HIRED for a DOC or HOSPITAL and gaining experience and working your way up that nasty ol&#8217; corporate ladder! </p>
<p>I am looking for investors for a business related to medicine. I need a plastic surgeon who wants to open a completely unique sort of &#8216;day spa&#8217; with me for a very special segment of US population: rich, retired, getting OLD, and hating it!  I have a well-researched idea with projections/costs, etc.  Obviously, this is NOT a &#8216;work from home&#8217; idea, nor is it cheap to be involved.  In fact &#8230; it will cost about half a million PER angel investor to even be involved!  Within 3 yrs, it will have paid for itself, and then some, a GREAT sum! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   This is NOT for anyone, its ONLY for interested plastic surgeons, willing to relocate to a specific area of Texas, and Alaska, or angel investors!</p>
<p>WELCOME TO 21ST CENTURY MEDICINE!  Hippocrates is likely twirling in his grave!</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://dihasstories.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/american-billing-systems/#comment-1898</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To &quot;LAURA&quot; -- who in all likelihood is from ABS --- this woman did the perfectly CORRECT thing by checking about the scam called ABS.  And yes, it IS a scam and it is now all over the internet AS such.  Apparently you either have quite poor research skills or you do, indeed, work for ABS.

I&#039;m sure ABS has gotten it&#039;s bucks from those who believe in things too good to be true, and has or will be moving on, to selling to the gullible a differently named &quot;business opportunity.&quot;  Only an idiot would NOT check out a company trying to take $15,000 from people who can get the EXACT same information for FREE at the local library!   

One thing I am quite sure they do not tell you ... to perform medical coding, you must be certified. ANYONE can bill.  You cannot just &#039;look it up&#039; in a manual - &quot;it&quot; being either a procedure OR diagnostic code; you must have both.  Care to quickly find what the procedure code is for fabric wrapping of abdominal aneurysm, and while you are at it, perhaps you have the diagnostic code memorized?  You DO know there are two types of medical coders, correct?  Hospital/clinic and doctor&#039;s offices.  QUICKLY and ACCURATELY are the two major key words for any setting!  Do either wrong, and YOU lose cause the docs wont get paid, and neither will you.  Know how many times insurance companies kick back bills &#039;just cause?&#039;  Yep ... they&#039;ll ask for chart notes, or say you coded it wrong --- why? CAUSE THEY CAN - DO!  The longer it takes for the doc to get paid, the longer the ins co has to use the policyholders money.  Now, think about how much cash these ins companies actuall have - the INTEREST alone of rejected bills would nearly pay the national debt in half, IN ONE DAY.  Yeah ... I bet you get SOME of the bigger picture.  And all you think you have to do is plug in some numbers from some manual or computerized program and tadah ... you&#039;re in like Flynn.  Oh and um ... just where do you think you are going to get your clients, ie, the docs, the hospitals and clinics?  Most prefer IN-HOUSE and MANY send them overseas for nearly 75% LESS than YOU can charge!

The person who wrote this blog is doing EVERYONE a favor.  And I think them!  YOU should be, too, unless of course, you are with ABS, as I strongly suspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To &#8220;LAURA&#8221; &#8212; who in all likelihood is from ABS &#8212; this woman did the perfectly CORRECT thing by checking about the scam called ABS.  And yes, it IS a scam and it is now all over the internet AS such.  Apparently you either have quite poor research skills or you do, indeed, work for ABS.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure ABS has gotten it&#8217;s bucks from those who believe in things too good to be true, and has or will be moving on, to selling to the gullible a differently named &#8220;business opportunity.&#8221;  Only an idiot would NOT check out a company trying to take $15,000 from people who can get the EXACT same information for FREE at the local library!   </p>
<p>One thing I am quite sure they do not tell you &#8230; to perform medical coding, you must be certified. ANYONE can bill.  You cannot just &#8216;look it up&#8217; in a manual &#8211; &#8220;it&#8221; being either a procedure OR diagnostic code; you must have both.  Care to quickly find what the procedure code is for fabric wrapping of abdominal aneurysm, and while you are at it, perhaps you have the diagnostic code memorized?  You DO know there are two types of medical coders, correct?  Hospital/clinic and doctor&#8217;s offices.  QUICKLY and ACCURATELY are the two major key words for any setting!  Do either wrong, and YOU lose cause the docs wont get paid, and neither will you.  Know how many times insurance companies kick back bills &#8216;just cause?&#8217;  Yep &#8230; they&#8217;ll ask for chart notes, or say you coded it wrong &#8212; why? CAUSE THEY CAN &#8211; DO!  The longer it takes for the doc to get paid, the longer the ins co has to use the policyholders money.  Now, think about how much cash these ins companies actuall have &#8211; the INTEREST alone of rejected bills would nearly pay the national debt in half, IN ONE DAY.  Yeah &#8230; I bet you get SOME of the bigger picture.  And all you think you have to do is plug in some numbers from some manual or computerized program and tadah &#8230; you&#8217;re in like Flynn.  Oh and um &#8230; just where do you think you are going to get your clients, ie, the docs, the hospitals and clinics?  Most prefer IN-HOUSE and MANY send them overseas for nearly 75% LESS than YOU can charge!</p>
<p>The person who wrote this blog is doing EVERYONE a favor.  And I think them!  YOU should be, too, unless of course, you are with ABS, as I strongly suspect.</p>
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		<title>By: An upset customer</title>
		<link>http://dihasstories.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/american-billing-systems/#comment-1893</link>
		<dc:creator>An upset customer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought  alicense from these scammers and its bullshit!! Trust me they will con you in to thinking they are your best friends and that they want to see u make money but they are all full of shit!! Its a scam and anyone who says otehrwise id love to discuss it with them. The problem is people are afraid to speak up and are iven the guilt trip from ABS in thinking that something is wrong with them and tht is the reason they cant make their business work. the software is outdated, the marketing meterial is an outright lie, and their &quot;support&quot; is bullshit, the wont supoprt anything!!! I am considering a class action lawsuit agaisnt these scammers, if anyone else got scammed message me to get together and take these bastards down!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought  alicense from these scammers and its bullshit!! Trust me they will con you in to thinking they are your best friends and that they want to see u make money but they are all full of shit!! Its a scam and anyone who says otehrwise id love to discuss it with them. The problem is people are afraid to speak up and are iven the guilt trip from ABS in thinking that something is wrong with them and tht is the reason they cant make their business work. the software is outdated, the marketing meterial is an outright lie, and their &#8220;support&#8221; is bullshit, the wont supoprt anything!!! I am considering a class action lawsuit agaisnt these scammers, if anyone else got scammed message me to get together and take these bastards down!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ilene Richman</title>
		<link>http://dihasstories.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/american-billing-systems/#comment-1863</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilene Richman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like the names of the licensees and their phone nos. so I can check into this company.  I asked some questions and people at ABS have refused to respond.  Why?  Is there something wrong with this company? Do they take your money and leave you hang out to dry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like the names of the licensees and their phone nos. so I can check into this company.  I asked some questions and people at ABS have refused to respond.  Why?  Is there something wrong with this company? Do they take your money and leave you hang out to dry?</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
		<link>http://dihasstories.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/american-billing-systems/#comment-1853</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to ask you, Teri, are you still with ABS and are you happy with your decision to go into Medical Billing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to ask you, Teri, are you still with ABS and are you happy with your decision to go into Medical Billing?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://dihasstories.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/american-billing-systems/#comment-1846</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 06:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not easy.
Find any other Billing software. There are tons of them out there. Kareo, DAQ, Lytec, Zirmed, AdvancedMD, Altapoint. Their charges are in a few hundreds, not in thousands. Their per claim cost is less than 25 cents. ... and with ABS it is around 1 dollar. Just do the math.
And there is no such lists where doctors have expressed an interest in you and are waiting for you. You have to do the hardwork to find clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not easy.<br />
Find any other Billing software. There are tons of them out there. Kareo, DAQ, Lytec, Zirmed, AdvancedMD, Altapoint. Their charges are in a few hundreds, not in thousands. Their per claim cost is less than 25 cents. &#8230; and with ABS it is around 1 dollar. Just do the math.<br />
And there is no such lists where doctors have expressed an interest in you and are waiting for you. You have to do the hardwork to find clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://dihasstories.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/american-billing-systems/#comment-1845</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 05:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura or whatever your name is,
It is pretty obvious that you are a stooge. ABS is a fraud company. They just changed their name to American Business Systems ...uhhh!!!
Folks, if you are interested in Medical billing, do your research. There are tons of hidden cost associated with ABS. Just for 1 example, they charge 1 dollar for every claim you process. Other software providers charge about 20 cents per claim.
There is much more. Don&#039;t be naive - do a thorough research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura or whatever your name is,<br />
It is pretty obvious that you are a stooge. ABS is a fraud company. They just changed their name to American Business Systems &#8230;uhhh!!!<br />
Folks, if you are interested in Medical billing, do your research. There are tons of hidden cost associated with ABS. Just for 1 example, they charge 1 dollar for every claim you process. Other software providers charge about 20 cents per claim.<br />
There is much more. Don&#8217;t be naive &#8211; do a thorough research.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://dihasstories.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/american-billing-systems/#comment-1842</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 21:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you go on www.Ripoffreport.com and look up American Business Systems or Patrick Phillips, this is an accurate description how this company works.  I found three complaints in the last 3 weeks.  I wish I had this information before I was scammed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go on <a href="http://www.Ripoffreport.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.Ripoffreport.com</a> and look up American Business Systems or Patrick Phillips, this is an accurate description how this company works.  I found three complaints in the last 3 weeks.  I wish I had this information before I was scammed.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://dihasstories.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/american-billing-systems/#comment-1806</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art, I too am looking at this as an opportunity for which I need more information.  I am really impressed with ABS presentation but wonder how easy it would be to get clients.

As for the comments in this blog it seems to be a draw between positive and negative and there are a few who are just axe grinders looking for a cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art, I too am looking at this as an opportunity for which I need more information.  I am really impressed with ABS presentation but wonder how easy it would be to get clients.</p>
<p>As for the comments in this blog it seems to be a draw between positive and negative and there are a few who are just axe grinders looking for a cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
		<link>http://dihasstories.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/american-billing-systems/#comment-1795</link>
		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am seeing a lot of negative and positive comments about American Billing Systems. How can so many people be so right or so wrong about them? I am a firm believer of what you put in is what you will get out. Could this is the case here? 

I am seriously considering purchasing an ABS franchise. I certainly don&#039;t want to costly mistake. I am seeing a lot about medicalbillingbusinessresources.com. I would like to know from this blog if this company has all that is needed to start a medical billing company with the recourses that are offered through them? If any is interested in passing on some referrals it would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am seeing a lot of negative and positive comments about American Billing Systems. How can so many people be so right or so wrong about them? I am a firm believer of what you put in is what you will get out. Could this is the case here? </p>
<p>I am seriously considering purchasing an ABS franchise. I certainly don&#8217;t want to costly mistake. I am seeing a lot about medicalbillingbusinessresources.com. I would like to know from this blog if this company has all that is needed to start a medical billing company with the recourses that are offered through them? If any is interested in passing on some referrals it would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.</p>
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