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American Billing Systems November 16, 2007

Filed under: bitching, what do I want to be when I grow up?, work work work — Diana @ 10:19 pm

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A few months ago, Kristy talked me (and Jeff) into going to a seminar held by American Billing Systems.  The basic  premise is that they sell you a “business opportunity” to do medical claims biling (and some other services) from home, for almost nothing (only $15,000!!), guaranteeing immediate riches and early retirement.

 

K has been looking for something for the two of us to do for several years.  We are both disenfranchised with corporate whoredom, and would love to be able to make money in a way that is more flexible so that we can do more important things, like spend time with children (K) or  yarn and animals (me).  Medical billing seemed like a great thing – it can easily be done from anywhere, anytime, and since we have both worked in the medical/insurance industries for a long time, we figured we knew the right language, and could pick up the actual billing pretty quickly.  When in doubt, consult the coding books.  :)

 

American Billing Systems would supply us with the software, marketing materials, and ongoing training and support to set up our business.  It’s not a franchise – it’s in a different class of business called a “business opportunity” which is basically showing you how to do something, and then releasing all activities (and responsibilities) to the “licensee”.   It sounded great – get to pick the brains of people that knew what they were doing, but still get to do everything our own way, in our own time.

 

The problem?  We needed money.  I think that our personal assets at the time were about seven dollars, and we were both about to buy new homes.  I had just gotten married.  We were flat bum buster.  We needed an investor.

 

Banks sure weren’t going to give either of us money, so I asked my Local Bank of Daddy if he might be interested in getting involved.  He has mentioned over the years wanting to get into some sort of business, or that if I found something he might be willing to fund it.  I thought this might be the thing.  Local health issues had made continuing “regular” employment difficult for me, and I thought that he would agree that it was time for me to strike out on my own.

 

I talked to him about lending the money, but he wanted a lot more answers than I had.  I was going to have to research.

 

American Billing Systems had provided K with a list of licensee references, but I didn’t want to talk to them.  I knew that, as with any reference list, the people on it were only going to tell me glowing things about their experience.  I wanted to talk to real people.

 

My friend Google and I did some research, and found about 40 licensees that I could identify online.  They all had about the same web page (ABS can set you up with one -  a $2,000  value FREE!!) and I filled out a bunch of contact forms so that someone would call me and talk about their experience.

 

What I found out about the company through their licensees didn’t impress me, and what I found out at the seminar downright terrified me (but that’s a story for a different day).   However, what was interesting was that a couple of days after I started talking to people, I started getting phone messages from Sarah King, the Director of Licensing (and the daughter of the founders/owners).  One day, I had three messages on my voicemail after work.  And then the emails started.  And the mailings.

 

Now, I had never contacted ABS on my own, and I asked K if she had given them my information, which she hadn’t.  She was also not receiving any emails or phone calls.  I figured that one of the people I had spoken to as references squealed that I was asking questions.

 

After the seminar, and the treatment we received there, K and I decided that we were not interested, and were pretty much told by their “Success Coach” that we were not a fit for them.  We started thinking of other opportunities (if you have any ideas, we are open to suggestion!)

 

Even after we had been summarily dismissed by ABS,  I continued to get email and mailings.  Even though I moved almost two months ago, they sent me something just this week – to my new address.  A while ago, I had sent an email in reply to the one I received asking to be taken off the mailing list.  I got a reply from Sarah King herself that there was an unsubscribe button on the messages.  (I never found one until today – Gmail automatically filters out “pictures” from unknown sources, and that link showed up as a picture,  and not at all as text I could follow.)

 

The messages kept coming and I kept ignoring them.  Until today.

 

I got yet another message, and replied – again – to TAKE ME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST.

 

Here is the response I got:

You could’ve unsubscribed yourself at ANY time.

I have gone into our system and gladly done it for you.

Thank you and have a nice day!

 Sarah King

Director of Licensing

American Billing Systems, Inc.

Phone: 866-565-8413 Ext. 102

Fax: 817.281.3748

www.americanbilling.com

Excuse me?  Do we need to be listed on Passive-Aggressive Notes? I had apparently not had enough coffee, and I shot off this reply:

Considering the fact that I never signed up for your email lists, and that my personal information was given to you by one of your licensee stoolies when I was investigating investing, I don’t feel as if I should have needed to request that the harassing emails and phone calls cease.

To which I got:

I’m sorry you feel that way, because it’s simply not true. No one is harassing you.

Please do not respond as your e-mail address has been blocked.

Thank you,

I particularly like the complete avoidance of how they got my information, since it wasn’t from K, and it sure as hell wasn’t from me.

And can I point out what a Big Woman this is?  I ask to be taken off your mailing list.  You refuse.  I ask again.  I get a snarky reply.  I point out my irritation of your techniques. So you BAN me from every emailing your organization again?  Have I just been un-friended?  By a business entity?

I’m going to go ahead and admit that I was less than polite, and that had I unlocked the “pictures” which turned out to be links, I could have been off this list quite a long time ago.  However, this exchange just further confirms my opinion that this is a poorly run, unethical organization that is out to make a cheap buck off of unsuspecting and uneducated people.  In my opinion, if you are going to sell a “business opportunity”, you want people investing in this opportunity to check you out, and independently verify your claims.  To be vilified for doing just that tells me that ABS is not a company to be trusted – or invested in.

(Interestingly enough, I got that last email when I was on the phone with my mom, and she suggested I blog about it.  I had been just waiting for an opportunity to use that picture from LOLtheist.)

 

 

26 Responses to “American Billing Systems”

  1. Meshia Says:

    Thanx!! I have never been to your site before, or read any of your blogs. I was lead here because I too was on Google…JUST NOW trying to check out American Billing Solutions cause out of my own personal interest, I filled out an ‘interest card’ that they offer online for information, and in exchange, they sent me a link to their website to look further into the company on my own and to jot down any questions I may have for when I speak w/the “owner” or sales rep who would contact me. I went to the site, but I didn’t notice anything about BAD times, HARDSHIPS, turnovers, etc., so I got worried. Cause anything that sounds too good to be true, probably is. So I went to Google to see if I could get real info from a real person, cause my “antenna” goes up (meaning I become very shifty-eyed) of opportunities that offer no pros AND cons to getting into their business. ONLY PROS. Everything has a good AND bad, right? So why not your company. That’s when I found your blog. If you’re able, could you recall some of the licensees experiences or what they say they’ve encountered since they’ve been w/ABS…such as money made — or lack there of? Success or none? Either way, THANKS for posting.

  2. Laura Says:

    Maybe the sales rep of this particular company had a bad day? You were in no means very cordial yourself. I have been researching ABS for a few months now and they have all been nothing but warm, helpful and knowledgeable about this business. They are the largest in the industry and have been helping people succeed in this business for over 15 years. I have spoken to several of their references who were brutally honest and shared with me the successes as well as their struggles in starting up their business. They say it is NOT a get rich quick scheme and ABS never claims it to be. As with any business, you get out of it what you put into it and you have to work very hard to make a business for yourself.

    Honestly, I think you are speaking out of ignorance here and should’ve done a little more of your own research. If you had, you might find out, for example, that a $15,000 investment is on the LOW end for Franchises. You are probably one of the types of people who just need to search for anything negative to justify your “No” for investing. And to actually post a blog about it? You definitely have WAY too much time on your hands.

  3. Bob Ziegler Says:

    If you still want a buisness of your own with a small investment of only $498 try Sendout Cards.com. Call me at 248-921-8192 or toll free 888-851-4385 for more information. I will explain how you can make good money in the multi-level marketing buisness of greeting cards using the internet. Some marketing and sales contact is required.

    As far as American Billing Systems. I own a license and went the the 4 day training in Dallas which was excellent. The staff is great, the literature is super, and the support is very good. For starting up a small business in a growing industry for a modest investment it can not be beat.

  4. Bob Ziegler Says:

    Opps I made an error. The start up investment in SendoutCard.com is only $398.

  5. Oscar Says:

    Laura,
    Can you tell me where you found these references. I have been trying to find Licensees to contact but I have had no luck. Also, what are the drawbacks the references told you about. Its always essetial to know the cons of a business before decidng to get into it.

  6. Smauel Says:

    Hello Oscar,

    I have looked into ABS recently as well. If you want the references all you have to do is contact ABS and ask for them. You can go to their web site at http://www.absystems.com to contat them by email or call them.

    In regards to the orignal post here, I do want to say that I experienced the same thing Laura described which was an honest rep who told me this business is not for everyone and that it is alot of hard work. They never once promised me income or said I would be rich, or even successful for that matter. They said like any business I would get what I put into and if I was willing to do the work and put in the time that like anything else, I could make a success out of it.

    They do send you a lot of emails usually every few days for about a month, but they all have an unsubscribe link at the bottom so you can stop them from coming at any point. I am sorry to hear that your rep responsed to you in a rude manner, she was probably lacking coffee herself.

  7. Drewmanchoo Says:

    If I’m gonna be in a race, do I want to speak with somebody who has won it or someone who crashed and quit a long time ago. NEWS FLASH–There are no “get-rich-quick” businesses except for dealing crack, and I’m sure nowhere on the ABS site did they “Guarantee” anything.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but suppose you were busy making a business work; would you want some broke, negative loser calling you up and asking you how they might fail? No. In fact, you would call the people who sold you the business and try to find out how your name got out. That company would then assume the broke negative loser was interested and then try to sell him. Duh. Welcome to the real world.

    Now, pull your head out of your butt and make something of your life. Stop dragging your wife down with negativity and by wasting time blogging.

    By the way, I’ve run several businesses, and none of them was easy.

  8. Hi Diana – We received your information on 6/20/2007 from a Franchise Website called Betheboss.com (now FranchiseExpo.com). So, either you, or someone you know, submitted your info and requested that we contact you. We NEVER make any type of unsolicited calls or send unsolicited emails. I am so sorry you had a bad experience with us. Should you consider us in the future, I’d do my best to make it up to you. Regards, Adam Phillips

  9. gman Says:

    I am skeptical of companies that give you prescreened references. They are called “singers’ according to the FTC and should be regarded as a red flag. Most times they are paid. It’s like singing to the choir and you’re going to hear only positives about the company. They are not arms length references but sales tools. The FTC has a publication about medical billing fraud and lists what to watch out for. Also the Texas Attorney General’s office has some guidelines for doing business there, such as if a business opportunity makes claims like, “the majority of our licensees make six figure incomes”, then they must give you the names of those people in the last three years (I think that’s the time frame. Go to the website under business opportunities). If it’s too good to be true then it probably is. According to the FTC the medical billing industry competition is strong with some very reputable large billing providers. Why would a doctor want to trust some inexperienced housewife do it out of their house? Also $15,000 isn’t chump change.

  10. Teri Vezzani Says:

    You mentioned…”what I found out at the seminar downright terrified me” Can you please elaborate…I am planning on going to one of their seminars and would very much like to hear your story…Thanks!

  11. Half - full Says:

    Wow… I am in the process of going with ABS for my billing company. I have heard nothing but good things and I think that those of you that look for the negative in anything will always get what you are looking for. If you are looking to start a business on your own, you have to believe that this business will be successful no matter if you have a few rough days or so. If you believe that it is a scam or negative or any other negative connotation I’ve read, you will get only that. If you don’t think anyone will trust you because you are an inexperience housewife, then you will not succeed. But if you believe that every big conglomerate started off somewhere and if they can succeed so can you. Go back and read the story of Bill Gates. Read the story of Opray WInfrey and even the guys that started Youtube just a few short years ago in their garage and yet they sold their company less than one year later for a billion dollars.

    If you believe that $15000 IS too much money to invest in your future then don’t do it. If you believe all of the negative reports, pass this oportunity by. You will only be as successful with anything in life as you believe.

  12. Diana Staggs Says:

    I too have tried to remove my name from American Billings email list but I still continue to get things. If this actually reaches someone at ABS, please remove me from your list. I’ve been requesting this off and on for about a year. Thanks!

  13. gman Says:

    Half-full. Come on now. Why would a doctor that has spent 6+ years of school after his undergraduate degree trust his entire receivables to someone with no experience. If I’m a doctor and I see 20 patients a day, work my tail off, why am I gonna give you a 7% cut right off the top just to do my billing which according to ABS takes just a few hours a day. Answer is….I’m not! If it’s too good to be true…it is!

  14. Go Says:

    Agreed. You simply are not going to do that. It’s too much. Also, the trust factor is serious. This is your billing. This is a big customer service issue and needs to be done correctly or you can lose your customers. That’s the life of your business. Doctor or not!

  15. Wow Says:

    Not sure about his. Don’t think I’m going to listen to advice from anyone referring to the “local bank of daddy” LOL Any home-based business is hardwork. Maybe your missing the point. Don’t underestimate the power of a motivated housewife either :)

  16. Teri Says:

    ABS is a legitimate company. As a real licensee I can tell you it is one of the most awesome systems out there. Is it a get rich quick business? No. Can you make a lot of money from it. Yes. BUT, you have to get your clients and do the work. ABS never has promised anything but that. They have one of the most incredible computer systems around. You get good tech support also. They staff is great and so are the other licensees. I agree that $15,000 is not that much to pay for what you get from this company.

  17. Some people are Clueless Says:

    Gman, obviously, you have no clue about the outsourcing of medical billing. That doctor you spoke about, has a degree in helping patients get better or maintain their health, not running their business, I’m sorry that you are not schooled becasue if you were, you would know that some medical billing professionals command a percentage as high as 15% (I negotiate between 6-10%, depending on practice and type of claims processed) and that doctors are now starting to outsource to INDIA…SCARY….Just wanted to through in my expertise, since I am a medical billing pofessional.

  18. Toni Crouch Says:

    I believe that American billing System is legit and I have a license but never
    pursued the career and wondered if anyone out there would like to buy my license for $7500.00 WHICH is half the price they are charging right now and I remember when I went through the classes that they said you could sell it if it didnt work out for you.

    Please email me if you are interested at

    tkcrouch@yahoo.com

  19. Sandi Says:

    Hi Toni Crouch,

    I have been looking ABS to purchase and I am just wondering why you have not start your own business! I am interested in the system but I am not sure how this would work! It might be better for me to buy from the company….not sure!

    SV

  20. Lee Says:

    American Business Systems has not lived up to their promise of support for us or others in our class. We went with ABS because of the support and we are very disappointed. ABS has a good sales pitch and the class teaches, get the doctors and we’ll help you, we got the doctors, but no help, what does this do for your billing business. We found out the hard way, Buyer Beware!

  21. Karen Says:

    Myself and my partner are starting a medical billing business and we are looking at ABS as one of 2 contenders. We thought we’d do a little engine surfing and found this site. I can’t say that your experience has turned us off to them, but we’ll probably go with a company who can get us going for half the price. The company we’ll probably use is Medical Billing Business Resources. Not as much on their site but we were impressed with our phone conversation and knowledge. They are at http://www.medicalbillingbusinessresources.com.

  22. Jane Says:

    I am going to purchase the ABS, but apparently it is not a good idea. Is there other good Opportunity I can get? Need your help.

  23. Ken Says:

    Hi!

    I know these turkeys personally. Or should I say knew them, or thought I knew them? I mean we go waaaay back. They screwed over a lot of people for a lot of money (a heck of a lot more) in another business (internet check cashing scheme) that went defunct. They are clever in not calling it a franchise. They are not as liable this way. Oh, did I tell you ? No I almost forgot! They became millionaires off the backs of hardworking people that saved, borrowed or whatever, then the business went belly up, with these poor people left with nothing. Well they had nothing to start with as far as the business is concerned. This guy’s conscience is about as seared as they come, imho, and I hope he is reading this! Hi Pat! Say hi to Nathan for me, and thanks for all the damage you’ve done to my family, ya hear? Ya, I hear you’ve never cheated on your wife, with another woman before. Hmmm….. I won’t take THAT any further.

  24. I want to thank Karen for the link she gave for Medical Billing Business Resources. This company has been fantastic in helping us to get our Medical Billing Business going! Great folks with a lot of knowledge. My wife and I recommend them without hesitation. http://www.medicalbillingbusinessresources.com.

  25. Art Says:

    I am seeing a lot of negative and positive comments about American Billing Systems. How can so many people be so right or so wrong about them? I am a firm believer of what you put in is what you will get out. Could this is the case here?

    I am seriously considering purchasing an ABS franchise. I certainly don’t want to costly mistake. I am seeing a lot about medicalbillingbusinessresources.com. I would like to know from this blog if this company has all that is needed to start a medical billing company with the recourses that are offered through them? If any is interested in passing on some referrals it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

  26. Rick Says:

    Art, I too am looking at this as an opportunity for which I need more information. I am really impressed with ABS presentation but wonder how easy it would be to get clients.

    As for the comments in this blog it seems to be a draw between positive and negative and there are a few who are just axe grinders looking for a cause.


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